this was fourth of july weekend a couple of years ago, and one of our board members at interfaith youth corps is director at mcends si and company. and he had said to me, you know, let's do a pro bono assessment of how this organization has been doing over the first eight years of its existence, and i was like, you know with, great. spend your mcends si money and tell us how great we're doing, right? and i didn't know that's not how consulting generally works. so my wife had promised as we're heading up to ta reck's house july 4th weekend, she's like no shoptalk. and i'm like, you know, who's talking shop? we're just going to have a great time looking out over the lake and enjoying steaks. so he looks at me, and he's like so i'm getting some of the data back from our assessment of interfaith youth corps, and i was like, yeah? and he's like, yeah. it's not going so great. and i'm like, come again? it's not going so great. i'm like, what are you talking about? i also didn't know how concrete consultants can get. he's like, well, when you go speak at a college campus, people really like it